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The Newsletter of The "Salty" Flyrodders of New York December 1999
The "Salty" Flyrodders of New York meet monthly at the Queens Botanical Gardens, 43-50 Main Street , Flushing, about one mile north of the LIE. Meetings are held at 8 p.m. on the first Monday of the month, except during January, July and September when they take place on the 3rd Wednesday.
THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE HELD ON: Monday Dec 6 (see inside for details)
Letter from the President

Page at Thanks to Kenny Abrames for the informative presentation he gave at the November meeting. Everyone is running out to buy 10 foot rods. Ken showed us that fly fishing is more than cast and retrieve.
Also thanks to all the guides that contributed to the Guide Side and helping to make it a successful column. We will resume the feature in April.
The cut off date for the photo contest is soon approaching. We will not be accepting entries after November 30th. The winner will be announced at the Christmas Party on Dec. 6th. We do already have a great selection of pictures from many of our members.
Speaking of the Christmas Party, we will be running the party this year the same as we have in the past. Everyone should bring in a dish, which will be laid out buffet style. The club will provide beverages and implements.
We will also be raffling off the T&T rod, Bauer Reel and a tying vice.
I would also like to take this time to thank my fellow officers and board members for all the support and sacrifice they have given to me and the Salties throughout the past year. Next year will be even better as we strive to make your membership with the Salties a memorable experience.
To all my fellow members, I wish you peace and health in the coming new year. "God Bless us, every one"
Thanx
Frank
FALL BONEFISHING TAILS
By Joel B. Filner
For the last three years I was given the opportunity to make a trip to Florida for business and manage at the same time to fit in fishing for business and pleasure in the Keys. Allan Finkelman, a past president of the club, moved to Islamorada, chucked it all in, and started guiding. A perfect opportunity for a beginner to learn at the bow of a master and friend.
Every trip was a lesson in humility and skill enhancement as a patient Allan made the most of the originally poor habits and put us on to fish. The problems I encountered are not seeing the fish until it's too late, then buck fever with the fly into the back, then standing on the line, then "lining the fish", and finally the perfect cast, hookup, thumb whack, gone. After 5 days over two years I caught a fish and held another. This year was going to be different.
I practiced casting at targets. I went out in the wind. And the rain. Line testing for each rod to determine the best loading, longest casting, and line management(coiling) on the ground. Even learning a twitch to ensure the line was clear of feet, knees, belts, coolers, etc. to allow for a clear cast. Herman's patience in teaching a new wind smart cast was worth all the lawn casting at the meetings. I was ready.
DUES ARE NOW PAYABLE FOR
2000. PLEASE NOTE THE NEW RATES POSTED ON PAGE 4 .
Allan however was not going to be available this year as he took another opportunity before I could confirm the dates. He graciously gave three recommendations and the first and most touted agreed to take us for the two days. Captain Tim Klein was the designated hitter.
We met at the boat with all the gear, and in this instance we used my own equipment. A 10wt Scott, a 9wt Simroe, an 8wt Scott, and an 8wt Simroe. Tim carefully inspected all the lines and immediately dumped my tippets and knots and gave a quick lesson in knot tying and proper tippet length. Then he tied on each rod a fly of his own design but with different sinking abilities. Because of the wind we kept all the leaders under 9ft as the conditions were not as stealth reliant as calm days would require. There was a tournament being held at Islamorada for the first day so he chose to go out of the usual local waters to avoid the armada. The fun began.
Wind at 20 knots, tide incoming, and clear skies all completed the scene. The essence of the hunt is find fish and cast to them. Tim found us fish. We alternated half hour up, and if we hooked up we relinquished the front. This was not a problem our first two years. Andy has the most luck up front and got the first shots at three fish. Then I had one shot then Andy with three more, then I had two, and Andy had four. All the while Tim watched us and learned our weaknesses and strengths, adjusting the boat with the wind to enable us to maximize our abilities. His calm, sure instructions coupled with encouragement improved our skills.
Bang, Andy had his first fish on and in. This was his first bonefish ever. No matter what happened afterward, the day was a success. My turn and my fish. Then Andy again and one on then off. We were fishing for muds by this time as the tide was still coming in but we were actually learning to see the muds and fish and cast reasonably well. The winds were increasing and now blowing steady 20 to 25 knots, making the work harder for the guide and the casters. Into the wind casting was tuff but also coached very well by Tim so that we still could manage the shots. I hooked up one more fish who took us on a wild ride across the flats as we untangled the line from the lobster traps and floats and finally boated the fish. The lovely 8.5 pounder in the photo.
On the way back across the flat Andy had two more shots, but they just gently squeezed the fly and then ran. My turn for the end of the day as we poled off the flat to the channel. Tim directed "Permit- 50ft 11:30" dead into the wind. All the practice paid off as I made the best cast of the day into the wind and watched the fish hit and run. I don’t know who jumped more, me or the fish What a run. He was on for 15 minutes and just close into the boat when his tail hit the leader and gone. A perfect end to a great day.
The second day was very different. Wind was now steady 25 knots with gusts to 35. Ouch. I wouldn’t go out the surf at Shinnecock in those wind conditions. We went out with the good feeling of the day before still in our minds. We saw tails in morning but couldn’t get them to hit. Andy hit three fish on the back with three different casts. I hit one, lined one and then Andy got the fish to take and he dropped the fly. This was a learning day. On Thursday, we could see the fish pretty well, but Friday with the wind I couldn’t see the direction and speed of the fish. I was totally reliant on Tim but the angler must see as well in order to act properly with the fly. We only had total 15 shots on Friday all tough and above our skill levels.
The trip was one of the best I ever experienced. It is easy to see how Allan learned his trade when Tim was his guide. They both have the ability and skill to work with what the angler brings to the table. And the right encouragement without all the harsh intensity of some of the fabled guides. Their telephone numbers are: Tim Klein, (305)852-1512, and Allan Finkelman (305) 852-5233.
PERSONALITY PROFILE
By Frank Abbate and Betty Anne Timmermann
This is the second part of the interview with Bob Popovics. His presence in the sport, as well as his support for conservation efforts, make Bob one of the "local" stars that contribute to our club.
Fly-Fishing has become a multi million dollar business. While more and more people are entering the sport some critics say that such a commercial influence on the sport especially geared to the novice will hurt the purity of salt water fly fishing.
We know that both are needed for the sport to grow, do you see this relationship between both as a good thing or as something that could eventually hurt the sport?

Andy Wright and his first ever bonefish. Tim Klein holds the prize of 6 pounds for the catch of the season. It won't be Andy's last.
I think the fly tier will find the book enjoyable reading in so much as to tickle his mind a little, make him think. I think they’ll be entertained. I want this book to happen very much, and it will.
This interviewer will end by saying that due to equipment failure, Bob had to sit through this interview twice. Thank you, Bob, from me and the "Salties" for being so understanding.
Dues Increase
The new membership dues for 2000 :
Individual Membership $40.00
Husband and Wife/SO 60.00
Children under 16 5.00
Seniors over 65 20.00
Youth 16-21/Student 20.00
New Member Initiation Fee 10.00
Dues are payable at the beginning of the calendar year latest Feb 29, 2000.If not paid by the due date a $10 reinstatement fee will be assessed.
New members who join in the fourth calendar quarter are automatically paid in full for the following year.
Husband and wife/SO will only receive one copy of the newsletter and/or any mailings issued by the Club.
Advertising Rates:
Business card insertions 12 months: $120.00
Business card insertions 6 months 90.00
Business card insertions < 6 Months 20.00 per insertion. Minimum 3
Quarter Page 12 Months 150.00
Quarter Page 6 Months 125.00
Full Page by special arrangement.
Anything Goes with Jack:
By Jack Denney
This past fall while on vacation in Martha’s Vineyard I noticed something about the flies we offer up as a meal. These fish we pursue really don’t care all that much about the fly at the end of you tippet. I mean sure there are days when sand eel or anchovy patterns will be the ONLY thing that will work but for the most part it really doesn’t matter. How can I say that with a straight face, you say? Now I do believe that matching the hatch is important but where do you start when there is nothing or everything around, where do you to start from? Knowing what bait is available at what time of year is a learning experience and even then only people on the water everyday know for sure what is around at any given time. I mean do you really know when the squid are in? I don’t, I have to ask some one or read about it. I do know when they are supposed to be around but unless I see one or hear from a good source then I have to guess (I do carry a squid fly almost all year in my bag).
To get back to the Vineyard story; there was a line-up along shore at Cape Poge, mostly fly rodders and a few spin and conventional fishers. Everyone was having a good time; on some days the spin fishers were catching them, on other days (most) the fly rodders seem to have the upper hand and then there were days when everyone was hooking up. So you’ve got to figure that just about everyone is using something different, I mean nobody is directing what everyone should be putting on the end of the line. Let’s face it, the fish have a big selection to choose from and they seem to like just about everything. Deadly Dicks, Lefty’s Deceiver, Swedish Pimples, epoxy minnows, Crease flies, green, white, blue, olive, all chrome, you name it is out there and everyone is confident that their offering will work because it has in the past. So, we are back to my original thought it really doesn’t matter what you are using……….. sometimes.
Ok, so I re-thought the concept a little but I still believe some days it doesn’t matter. Another case in point: there is a ton of spearing, lots of peanut bunker, squid and who knows what else swimming around and the albacore are all over a gray Lefty’s that represents just what may I ask? Another example; Perry Lisser is using a great looking small Lefty’s dressed to represent a spearing but I have just landed my first albacore of the day. What fly am I using in the spearing infested water around his boat? That’s right, a small bunker pattern, of course! Fish like to eat and passing up a meal is just not in their make up. I mean, if it looks good enough to be considered a meal then it is eaten, end of story, no questions asked. I broke my rod and we used the bunker flies and Perry’s rod to kill the albies in the inlet (one guy had to be on the wheel at all times, there were lots of boats around and the fish were running right against the jetty).
So there has to be some simple answers to this puzzle and it comes down to a few basics. First, the fly’s size and action should be considered. That gray Lefty’s may have been the right size to look like a large spearing or small squid, only the fish know what it looks like to them. Second, presentation is very important. Making the offering available to your quarry in just the right manner goes along way in hooking up. Sinking lines can offer the fly at the fish’s level. Another point, baitfish do not attack larger fish, it is just a fact of the real world. Color is important but not as important as we may think (though many a story about striper fishing at Montauk centers around the color yellow, who knows why it just does). And most important of all go fishing and find these things out for yourself, then share you experiences with other members and friends. Make a pledge right now during this holiday season that you will fish more and share you information with others. Keeping things a secret is fine if you are in the CIA, fly fishers (or anglers in general) learn by doing and asking around. If it wasn’t for some of the fine older members in this club I would have never learned as much as I have. Names like Jimmy DiGregorio, Don Avondolio, Steve Broznya, Past President and wild man Dennis O’Brien just to name a few. And of course my friends that I have met through the club have made a difference in my fishing and in my life. All this is do to sharing information openly and having a common interest…fishing just brings the right people together. A quick thanks to Perry Lisser, Bob Woolley, Joe Blados and Glenn Mikkelson for teaching me new things about fly fishing and about life, I have learned a lot from them. Happy Holidays and remember……..they’ll hit just about anything you throw at ‘em. Just about anything.
CONSERVATION
By Alan J Evelyn, Conservation Chair
DECEMBER'S CONSERVATION NEWS
UNPRECEDENTED AGREEMENT TO CONTROL LONGLINES
In late August, CCA, in conjunction with The Billfish Foundation and the American Sportfishing Association, entered into a memorandum with the Blue Water Fishermen's Association (which represents longliners), pursuant to which 160,000 square miles of US waters would be permanently closed to longlining, additional time and area closures would be instituted, the size of the longline fleet would be reduced by 30% and longliners would be required to participate in an extended study aimed at reducing bycatch.
The permanently closed area would stretch from the North Carolina/South Carolina border to Key West, Florida, an area identified in Billfish Foundation studies as the U.S. region accounting for the greatest incidence of sub-legal swordfish and billfish bycatch. (Early this year, CCA opposed NMFS's original proposal of a seasonal closure encompassing only the Florida Straits, since we realized that the more extensive closure provided by the current agreement was not only possible, but necessary.) Large areas in the northern and western Gulf of Mexico will also be subject to seasonal closures.
As part of the agreement, the longline fleet will be reduced by approximately 30% through buyouts. 50% of the money for the buyouts will come from the federal government. The remaining costs will be shared equally by the remaining participants in the longline fishery and by anglers fishing in the closed areas (or by state governments assuming the anglers' share).
While the agreement is, in the words of Walter Fondren, CCA's Chairman, "maybe the biggest conservation measure for offshore fisheries ever," it is, as he acknowledges, only a "step in the right direction." CCA, other conservation organizations and the longliners themselves will now go to the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas, and request that similar conservation measures be implemented in international waters. Such international management is essential, since about 95% of Atlantic billfish mortality, and most mortality of juvenile swordfish, is caused by foreign longliners.
For the agreement to become effective, it must be approved by Congress. CCA has already lined up a list of influential sponsors and cosponsors in both the House and the Senate. Unfortunately, a negative campaign with some false information regarding the agreement is encouraging anglers to ask their Congressman to oppose the deal. Since any piece of legislation is a very delicate construct, that campaign could succeed. Therefore, CCA NY members are being provided with the following information so that, properly informed, they can spread the truth regarding the agreement:
Vessels that are "bought out" of the longline fishery will not be able to enter any other commercial fishery. Such vessels are federally documented. Pursuant to the buyout agreement, not only the vessels' longline permits, but also the commercial fishing endorsement in their documentation, will be purchased. After such purchase, the vessels may be used as dive boats, party boats, whale-watchers, oil-rig tenders or any other purpose except commercial fishing for the rest of their working lives.
The buyout will substantially reduce effort in the domestic swordfish fishery. Longliners remaining after the buyout have agreed to support at ICCAT, at 10-year rebuilding plan for swordfish, and will insist that American negotiators press for such a plan. Since a 10-year rebuilding plan will require harvest reductions of at least 27%, both the reduction in fleet size and the reduction in harvest will be roughly proportional. The remaining longline vessels will not reap a significantly larger share of the swordfish quota.
There should be little displacement of longline effort from the closed areas to the mid-Atlantic and New England. The east-coast longline fishery is broken into distinct segments. a) Longliners in the Gulf of Mexico primarily target yellowfin tuna in a short-set, live bait fishery that provides most of the fresh tuna steaks to the eastern United States. Employing methods designed to get fish from the water to the consumer in a matter of hours, Gulf longliners have already agreed that they could remain in local waters and serve their traditional markets under the terms of the agreement. Under the terms of the agreement, they have agreed to participate in a multi-year scientific study of longline bycatch. b) Southeastern longliner primarily target swordfish, and is the group that will be the most affected by the closures. Some may opt to travel from traditional ports, and fish in waters north of the closure line. However, most are expected to accept the buyout offer instead. c) Mid-Atlantic longliners, most operating out of New Jersey, are unique in that they target both swordfish and tuna. They are not expected to be significant participants in the buyout, and their operations will see little immediate impact from the agreement, although they will also participate in a multi-year bycatch study. d) New England longliners are primarily swordfishermen, and comprise a distant waters fleet that frequently fishes for extended periods outside of the EEZ. They will see the least immediate impact from the agreement, and will remain in traditional waters.
Vessel owners who accept the buyout will not be able to re-enter the fishery unless another owner leaves. Because a limited-entry system has been instituted in the longline fishery, the only way such a vessel owner would be able to obtain a permit would be to buy it from another owner who will then no longer be able to fish.
A direct ban, without some of
agreement from longliners may even hurt the fishery. Longlining is a
frighteningly effective and terribly destructive means of catching fish.
However, American vessels, fishing under a permit issued by NMFS, are required
to obey American fishery management plans even when they fish in international
waters. Thus, U.S.-permitted longliners may not retain billfish, fin
sharks or commit similar offenses whenever and wherever they fish. A
vessel banned in the U.S. might decide to reflag in Trinidad, Haiti,
Venezuela or other foreign jurisdiction, and would free such vessels of the
restrictions imposed by American law. Since more than 95% of billfish and
more than 50% of juvenile swordfish are already killed by foreign-flag boats, an
American ban would do virtually nothing to rebuild the fishery, but would end
America's moderating influence. Pursuant to the agreement, vessel owners
who accept the buyout will not be able to reflag in another nation.
The Billfish Foundation, America Sportfishing Association, and CCA believe that the above facts refute fallacious arguments made by those who oppose this conservation measure and urge all anglers to support the adoption of this historic agreement. This is the first real breakthrough in the conservation of highly migratory species since the drive to outlaw the sale of Atlantic billfish, was spearheaded more than a decade ago.
CONSERVATION ORGANIZATIONS SPONSORED EVENTS
REMINDER:: LIBBA's "Operation Holiday Spirit" Toy and Food Drive thru December 17th. For more information call the LIBBA Hotline: (516) 579-1344.
CONSERVATION FUNDRAISING EVENTS
Saturday December 4th: CCA New York and New York Sportfishing Federation Fundraising Dinner to benefit the "Sportfishing Educational Center" in Babylon, New York. The event will take place at the Snapper Inn in Oakdale New York. Ticket price (includes dinner and open bar) will be $100 per person donation, off course all donations will be deductible to the extent allowed by law. For tickets or more information, please contact Alan Evelyn, home: (516) 256-0726, work: (718) 951 6522, work fax: (718) 951-4744 or by email: aevelyn@brooklyn.cuny.edu. or John McMurray at 516 422-4162 or E-mail: director@ccany.org.
Remember, if you want other conservation issues brought to the Salty's attention, please talk to me at the monthly meeting or contact me at: home (516) 256-0726, work: (718) 951 6522, work fax: (718) 951-4744 or by email: aevelyn@brooklyn.cuny.edu.
FLY OF THE MONTH
RUBBER EEL
By Frank Abbate
Surf fishermen have long known the success in slinging those slimy, nasty looking creatures called Anguilla rostrata, or more commonly called the American Eel. It has always been a challenge for fly rodders to imitate such bait and the eel is no different. This pattern utilizing Bob Popovics siliclone technique is a sure fire imitation to dislodge any wary bass from the boulder he’s been hiding behind.
MATERIALS
:
Thread- black flat waxed nylon
Hook- Tiemco or Eagle Claw
Tail- black Yak hair, black bucktail, yellow or natural
Grizzly hackle(as long as you can get)
Flash- black and olive krystal flash
Head- black wool
Eyes- silver prism
Head coating- silicone and silver sprinkles
INSTRUCTIONS:
Around the previous material.
The longest wool and tie in the round at the tie in point , surro
unding all the material. This will act as a veil.
shank, repeating until you get to the eye of the hook.
PHOTO CONTEST WINNER WILL BE ANNOUNCED AT
THE CHRISTMAS PARTY. DON’T MISS IT.
Scheduled Meeting Events for 2000
January 19th. Club Member and Casting instructor at Caleb Smith Park, David Sekeres will present a how-to on Lines, Leaders, shooting Heads and more.
February 7th. North Carolinas, Harkers Island guides Sarah Gardener and Brian Horsley will give a comprehensive how-to on the newest fall season fly fishing venue. Would you believe 20 lb. Albies!
March 6th. He's been there and done that, Saltwater Flyfishing Legend Lou Tabory, author of the books "Inshore Flyfishing," "Guide to Saltwater Baits and their Imitation" and his newest work "Stripers on the Fly" will be here to share over 40 years of experience with club Members.
April 3rd . Club Member and western sound guide, Dino Torino will speak to members about western sound Fly fishing. He will also have some amazing underwater video.
May 1st . Spring has sprung! What better way to spend a night, then with the man himself, Bob Clouser, whose single fly design, the Clouser Minnow has revolutionized the sport of saltwater flyfishing.
June 2,3,4, XXXIII Annual Conclave weekend featuring Page Rogers and Ed Mitchell. A three day teaching, tying and fishing frolic. Sign up early.
June 5th. Conclave wrap up with members relating success and failure stories of the weekend, including flies tied to order.
July 19th. Capt. Jim Levison, member, and fishing guide will talk on flyfishing and photography.
August 7th. Ed Jaworowski casting guru will be our guest this night. Bring your
Flyrods!
September 20th . Fishing and casting columnist Mark Sedotti will be on hand to
show us his own brand of fly casting and a presentation of Long Island Sound
flyfishing.
October 2nd. Still in Planning Stage
November 6th. Still in Planning Stage
December 4th. Christmas Party.